I’m still wating Republicans, why is reforming health care communism?
Maybe, in YOUR opinion, its a little too much regulation. But if you call it communism, your basically admitting you don’t know what Communism means.
Communism is
a form of socialism that abolishes private ownership. THERE IS NO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP BEING ABOLISHED HERE! THERE ISN’T EVEN A PUBLIC OPTION! INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE ALL STILL PRIVATE!
Have you even read the bill or do you just like repeating insults? Much like a 5 year old perhaps?
The problem is your republicans just don’t want to help the common man, and Communism is just a euphemism for "I hate poor people."
I’m sorry, but I read the communist manifest and this is nothing like it. Its just tougher regulation on companies, shit I mean are you going to call rules on cheating the stock market Marxism too? Like Insider trading? Ignorance…
Stop this bullshit nonsense. You just produce hate.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:communism&ei=KRg2S4PiNZDAngezlvH-CA&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAkQkAE
So, its not then.
It is not, but do not expect those that claim it is to understand it. Mind you the attitude of those who say that reminds me of the past, when those who said the world was round were deemed blasphemers in order to shut them up. Now we just all those who want to make the world better Communists.
I do not understand why so many Americans have fallen for lies about healthcare in the USA, abroad and also the planned reforms [1]. I mean, if the healthcare system in the USA is so good, why have no other nations taken it up? Could it be due to the following facts?
FACT – the USA spends more on healthcare PER PERSON than any other nation on the planet [2].
FACT – the US has higher death rates for kids under five than western European countries with universal health coverage [3].
Or if the US healthcare system is run so well, why not run the fire service like the healthcare system? [4]
Maybe that is because in the USA, insurance companies push up costs, buy politicians and refuse to pay claims that people pay for [5]. (Look up Wendell Potter on YouTube to hear more if the link below is too long.)
Obama wants to make insurance cheaper, stop insurance companies from refusing health coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, and make sure they pay out when they are meant to [6], a system similar to that which works in Taiwan [7]. He debated this before he was elected [8].
Is it right that a dead American four year old would have had a better chance of life if they were born in Canada, Cuba, Germany and so many other industrialised nations with universal healthcare?
If you think my arguments are wrong, e-mail me with proof. But if you can not, let Obama try to help America. If he fails, vote him out in 2012.
I already told you that it is socialism not communism. Look it up.
btw…….
you seem to be unaware that Barney Frank and Obama have said that this is merely a vehicle to what they really want which is a single payer system. I will provide a link
OPlease tell me how a single payer system is NOT socialism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_SGGcJu_c
Socialism:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/socialism
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how many billions did obama spend bribing congressman on this issue really cute
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What made the Soviet Union distinctive was the attempt to replace free enterprise and free markets with centralized planning. Obamacare creates over 100 new federal bureaucracies to oversee, second-guess, screw-up and otherwise centrally "plan" every aspect of healthcare in America. Nobody will be able to make a decision about anything without clearing it with Washington bureaucrats.
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you won’t be getting any good answers. many questions do this. if you really want no answers from the cons ask them what free market conservatism has done for america. ask what achievements they have accomplished. all major accomplishments have been liberal initiatives. social security, workers rights, consumers rights…
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I’m waiting on a link where it states the passing of the current (watered down) version of the HC bill is being considered communist by a known office holding republican.
Big’s definition of accomplishment:
"Anything that takes power or $ from the people and puts it in the hands of gov."
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You can call it reform. But it is just takeover. Real reform would be tort reform and opening up across borders marketing of companies and plans. That would take about a page and a half. What this is is 2000 pages of communism.
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Good point
Apparently, 6 years ago it was okay, now it is ‘SOCIALISM!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_deficit
Six years ago, "it was standard practice not to pay for things," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "We were concerned about it, because it certainly added to the deficit, no question." His 2003 vote has been vindicated, Hatch said, because the prescription drug benefit "has done a lot of good."
Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, said those who see hypocrisy "can legitimately raise that issue." But he defended his positions in 2003 and now, saying the economy is in worse shape and Americans are more anxious.
Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, said simply: "Dredging up history is not the way to move forward." She noted that she fought unsuccessfully to offset some of President George W. Bush’s deep tax cuts at the time.
But for now, she said, "it’s a question of what’s in this package," which the Senate passed Thursday in a party-line vote. The Senate bill still must be reconciled with a House version.
The political situation is different now, Snowe said, because "we’re in a tough climate and people are angry and frustrated."
Some conservatives have no patience with such explanations.
"As far as I am concerned, any Republican who voted for the Medicare drug benefit has no right to criticize anything the Democrats have done in terms of adding to the national debt," said Bruce Bartlett, an official in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. He made his comments in a Forbes article titled "Republican Deficit Hypocrisy."
Bartlett said the 2003 Medicare expansion was "a pure giveaway" that cost more than this year’s Senate or House health bills will cost. More important, he said, "the drug benefit had no dedicated financing, no offsets and no revenue-raisers. One hundred percent of the cost simply added to the federal budget deficit."
The pending health care bills in Congress, he noted, are projected to add nothing to the deficit over 10 years.
It would be hilarious if it weren’t so tragic.
How do you fix STOOPID?
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"Reform" which does not address 90% of the issues serves one purpose and one purpose only and that is to gain control and power over the masses. It may not be the absolute definition of communism, but it is being used as a stepping stone to it.
And a liberal telling people to stop insults is sort of the pot calling the kettle black don’t you think?
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It is Socialism, not Communism if that somehow makes you feel better. You can read the Communist Manifesto if you wish, I will read my history books on what it does in actual practice. It is a philosophy of the "useful idiots". Communism does not work, cannot work and was never intended to do anything but turn people into slaves while the small elite ruling class live like kings.
Since you do not seem to be able to grasp that private insurance companies cannot exist if they:
A) Have to cover people with preexisting conditions for the same cost as everyone else
B) Have to make a profit competing with a Government plan that can print its own money.
I sort of understand why you think Communism, which has failed every time it has been tried, is a good idea. Socialism also cannot exist without Capitalism to steal from. Why is it we never hear of the transfer of wealth from any Socialist country to a Capitalist country? That is because Socialism is nothing more than a plan for rationing existing wealth until there is none. Free Market Capitalism is a wealth generator.
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It starts out slow at first. The government buys up company’s at first ( banks, auto company’s, finance company’s, etc.) Then the government controls the people.
When Bush warned congress giving housing loans to people that can’t afford it, Barney Franks called that "scare tactics".
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I am with Mo. I have said that this is the start down the road to Marxism and socialism.
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It’s not too late to sneak in the public option at the last minute, and a lot of knowledgeable folks will tell you it’s likely they will. Socialism is the vehicle to communism. With this "progressiveness", the government gets a little bigger here, a little bigger there, and before you know it they control twice what they did 50 years ago. It seeps in so slow that we don’t even realize it, all the while boasting in our freedom.
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Again…
IT’S not communist yet…
It’s heading that way.
Are you deaf?
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Obama’s "health reform" is unconstitutional….the government has no business spending taxpayer money on social issues…period. Socialists/liberals only make an appearance in wealthy countries so they can use the wealth to empower themselves. This "reform" will only benefit the ruling class at the expense of the rest of us, and further destroy the private sector that made the country great.
Once again, the government has caused the issue they pretend to step in and solve – namely, by requiring health insurance not be competitive and limiting the purchase across state lines, the cost has skyrocketed.
BTW your handlers have successfully warped your frame of reference…….Democrats convince the common man that they are victims and don’t have a chance without Dems, in reality you’ve bit – hook line and sinker. Dems won’t let you off the hook as long as you vote for them, and if they improve your life, you WON’T vote for them…..so they pretend to.
Conservatives look for ways to get the common man away from victimhood so he’s self-reliant.
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Those people who oppose Barack Obama’s health care plan own shares in drug and health insurance companies, therefore stand to lose money
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19925.html
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/03/gop-plan-state-regs/
http://www.insurancecompanyrules.org/blog/entry/gop_health_reform_bill_more_shifts_costs_to_you/
You have got it wrong. A reform bill that is non partisan is needed for it to be accepted by most people.
Also there are other forms of government that have full control over private business that want the people to believe and think that businesses are private ownership. Isn’t that what Hitler used?
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1. There is NOTHING in the Constitution of the United States that allows the federal government to interfere (yes, "interfere") in health care.
2. No one has any right to force me to pay for health care for anyone else.
3. If I have to pay for someone else’s health care, I DEMAND the authority to dictate how they live and what they do. Fat people must lose weight. Drunks, smokers and junkies must stop using dangerous and illegal substances. Tramps and baby factories must keep their pants on. Illegals must be deported immediately.
4. Republicans give more to charity than any other group. The forced "charity" of taxation does NOT count as it is immoral.
5. The supporters of socialist medicine continue to spout the lie that health care is some sort of "right". It’s NOT! No right, exercised by one person, can ever put any obligation or responsibility on any other. No "right", exercised by one person, can interfere with the rights of another. By stealing what I EARN to pay another’s medical bills, I am being denied the right to decide how I spend what I EARN. Health care is a commodity, like anything else you purchase, that needs to be paid for.
6. Name the one thing the federal government has ever interfered in that did NOT see quality plummet as costs soared, failed to accomplish its alleged goal, and did not become a bloated, tax dollar sucking bureaucratic behemoth. YOU CAN’T because it’s never happened.
BIG, yeah, I really love that socialist success story known as "Socialist Insecurity". You have another plan to finance your retirement, don’t you? You sound like a politician.
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Snoop my friend, you still don’t get it do you? You speak of hate, but how much more hateful can anything be than your line of speech? To answer your question, when the government takes personal choice, personal responsibility and the right to make it or break on your own, that is control. The current direction takes choices from people and the govt. makes those choices for you. That is a removal of freedom. The removal of freedom leads to control which leads to Communism. The Republicans want to force competition by offering across state line purchases of insurance. They also want to introduce tort reform to reduce the cost of tort suits to the medical community. The Senate version does not have the public option, but that is only the Senate version isn’t it? That version still has to be synchronized with the House version which does contain the public option.
You claim to have read the Communist Manifesto. Are you referring to Marx’s Communist Manifesto? I hope that you spent many hours reading, that document is extremely long winded and boring. You don’t just open a page of that document and find anything without hours of study. Don’t judge others by yourself, they may be smarter than you think.
As far as reading goes, apparently you haven’t done much of that yourself or you would not have asked this question twice. You cry ignorance, but you haven’t shown any enlightenment in your statements. As for repeating insults, that is mostly what I see in your question. I doubt that you have really studied anything to do with health care yourself. I suspect that you are only regurgitating the typical Democratic pap.
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Your Ranting SPEW is not only wrong as this IS a power grab for 1/6th of the economy ..but it is also a violation of the TOS…have a nice day…
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Who told you republicans feel this is communism? no one because Republicans are intelligent enough to know it’s not communism, it’s just another badly executed liberal idea.
Yes, I have read it. Did you? So you know it’s an incomplete plan too?
Who hates the poor? Liberals do!
Insider trading is a criminal act no matter what party you are from.
All of us Republicans are not rich like Al Gore. Oh wait, he’s not a Republican is he? He’s just another rich democrat capitalizing on global warming and building his own wealth.
You stop it.
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It is not, but do not expect those that claim it is to understand it. Mind you the attitude of those who say that reminds me of the past, when those who said the world was round were deemed blasphemers in order to shut them up. Now we just all those who want to make the world better Communists.
I do not understand why so many Americans have fallen for lies about healthcare in the USA, abroad and also the planned reforms [1]. I mean, if the healthcare system in the USA is so good, why have no other nations taken it up? Could it be due to the following facts?
FACT – the USA spends more on healthcare PER PERSON than any other nation on the planet [2].
FACT – the US has higher death rates for kids under five than western European countries with universal health coverage [3].
Or if the US healthcare system is run so well, why not run the fire service like the healthcare system? [4]
Maybe that is because in the USA, insurance companies push up costs, buy politicians and refuse to pay claims that people pay for [5]. (Look up Wendell Potter on YouTube to hear more if the link below is too long.)
Obama wants to make insurance cheaper, stop insurance companies from refusing health coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, and make sure they pay out when they are meant to [6], a system similar to that which works in Taiwan [7]. He debated this before he was elected [8].
Is it right that a dead American four year old would have had a better chance of life if they were born in Canada, Cuba, Germany and so many other industrialised nations with universal healthcare?
If you think my arguments are wrong, e-mail me with proof. But if you can not, let Obama try to help America. If he fails, vote him out in 2012.
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[1] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/subjects/health/
[2] http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2009_economist.html
[3] http://www.unicef.org/sowc08/docs/sowc08_table_U5MR.pdf
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhpUG4apgrE
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI
[6] http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/01/health-reform-made-simple/
[7] http://www.annals.org/cgi/reprint/148/4/313.pdf
[8] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTalCKyW-g
The problem with Liberals is they cannot name a single government agency that does not cost a fortune.
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In much the same way that only a government take-over is "reform" in your mind.
You’ve admittied you don’t know what’s in the bills.
Implementation is phased-in. At "full activation" there will be exactly ONE "option." You can point-out that ONE product may still be offered by private companies (in such a way as to make obvious your disdain for the idea of ownership) but since those companies will have exactly ZERO control of the product, in no meaningful sense will they be anything more than agents of the government.
The problem is that although EVERY complaint you have about the status quo was a PREDICTED outcome of Democrat policy, you just cannot accept the idea that maybe letting them "finish the job" isn’t the best way to go.
The common man didn’t NEED health insurance until Democrats fought to make it so.
You have a computer? How about if by FORCE of law, handcuffs, guns and badges you are REQUIRED to put it to certain uses and FORBIDDEN to do anything else whatsoever with it? How about if we skip that and just say the government owns it? Is there REALLY a difference?
Oh, wait. You ARE satisfied with simply being TOLD it’s "yours," aren’t you? Whether we CALL IT yours or the government’s is the important thing, right?
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That should have been obvious to you.